Freedom of Speech
Dear Henry Tinsley,
I have read on Media Lens Message Board the following letter you sent to Media Lens:
On Iraq Body Count’s website, you may read: “It is likely that many if not most civilian casualties will go unreported by the media.” Being a media watch-dog, Media Lens has been monitoring the use made by the media of the IBC’s data.
A very interesting open debate developed, as it should be in a healthy and democratic society.
A few days ago, the Independent wrote:
To know more about The Lancet study, please read Researchers Who Rushed Into Print a Study of Iraqi Civilian Deaths Now Wonder Why It Was Ignored, by LILA GUTERMAN, The Chronicle of Higher Education, January 27, 2005
About the other topic, you may want to read again that Media Alert. But even if you happen to disagree with this or that of the Media Lens’s works, do you really believe that this gives you the (moral and intellectual) right to punish it? The money is yours, so legally nulla questio. But don’t you think that if you decided once to help Media Lens’ project, withdrawing your support would be against that very Freedom of expression that should characterize the Waging for Peace, of which you are the founder Director, the Carter Centre UK, where you sit in the Board of Trustees, the Tinsley Charitable Trust and any liberal-democratic society in its whole?
Media Lens has distinguished itself for acting accordingly and supporting intellectual honesty, openness, compassion, freedom and democracy. The debates that promotes are always public, open, rational, extremely polite and intellectually stimulating.
Please, I urge you to think again of your decision and to keep supporting Media Lens.
Thank you.
Kind regards,
Gabriele Zamparini
I have read on Media Lens Message Board the following letter you sent to Media Lens:
Dear Davids,You must have been ill-informed.
I note from your website that you list the Tinsley Charitable Trust as a donor. Please remove our name from your website.
While we did make a donation some years ago, we will not be making further contributions in the future (apart from anything else, we're told that our trust cannot legally give to you).
More seriously, I am unable to support your work when you spend your time attacking good guys like John Sloboda of the IBC. I would have thought you would have something better to do.
I also supported the Bosnian war which ensured that Milosevic and his henchmen were belatedly forced to stop their mass murder. Do you really believe that the Serbian regime(s) were not responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and that something had to be done to stop this? It's a shame Milosevic died before his trial was completed.
Regards,
Henry Tinsley
On Iraq Body Count’s website, you may read: “It is likely that many if not most civilian casualties will go unreported by the media.” Being a media watch-dog, Media Lens has been monitoring the use made by the media of the IBC’s data.
A very interesting open debate developed, as it should be in a healthy and democratic society.
A few days ago, the Independent wrote:
“But IBC admits that with the increasing inability of journalists to move around and report freely, its method of monitoring civilian deaths is becoming increasingly inaccurate. What evidence has emerged indicates that a widely ridiculed study published in The Lancet in autumn 2004, estimating that at least 100,000 civilians had died violently since the war began, might not be so inaccurate.” (“Iraq: The reckoning” , Patrick Cockburn and Raymond Whitaker , The Independent, 12 March 2006)The Financial Times, on November 19, 2004 wrote:
“This survey technique has been criticised as flawed, but the sampling method has been used by the same team in Darfur in Sudan and in the eastern Congo and produced credible results. An official at the World Health Organisation said the Iraq study ‘is very much in the league that the other studies are in ... You can't rubbish (the team) by saying they are incompetent‘”. (Stephen Fidler, 'Lies, damned lies and statistics,' Financial Times, November 19, 2004)On 29 October 2004, the British medical journal The Lancet published ‘Mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq: cluster sample survey’:
Making conservative assumptions, we think that about 100000 excess deaths, or more have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Violence accounted for most of the excess deaths and air strikes from coalition forces accounted for most violent deaths. (Interpretation)According to Les Roberts (Center for International Emergency Disaster and Refugee Studies at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, one of the world’s top epidemiologists and lead author of the Lancet report) there might be as many as 300,000 Iraqi civilian deaths (Do Iraqi Civilian Casualties Matter?, By Les Roberts, AlterNet, February 8, 2006)
Most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children. (Findings)
Source: Mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq: cluster sample survey, The Lancet, Published online October 29,2004
To know more about The Lancet study, please read Researchers Who Rushed Into Print a Study of Iraqi Civilian Deaths Now Wonder Why It Was Ignored, by LILA GUTERMAN, The Chronicle of Higher Education, January 27, 2005
About the other topic, you may want to read again that Media Alert. But even if you happen to disagree with this or that of the Media Lens’s works, do you really believe that this gives you the (moral and intellectual) right to punish it? The money is yours, so legally nulla questio. But don’t you think that if you decided once to help Media Lens’ project, withdrawing your support would be against that very Freedom of expression that should characterize the Waging for Peace, of which you are the founder Director, the Carter Centre UK, where you sit in the Board of Trustees, the Tinsley Charitable Trust and any liberal-democratic society in its whole?
Media Lens has distinguished itself for acting accordingly and supporting intellectual honesty, openness, compassion, freedom and democracy. The debates that promotes are always public, open, rational, extremely polite and intellectually stimulating.
Please, I urge you to think again of your decision and to keep supporting Media Lens.
Thank you.
Kind regards,
Gabriele Zamparini
21 Comments:
An email exchange with Gabriele in response to his comments about freedom of expression at Media Lens, whose editors described Tinsley's request to remove his name from the site as "flak", because he took objection to their commentaries on IBC and Serbia:
On 3/24/06 11:21 AM, "Daniel Simpson" wrote:
"In my opinion, this is a vile attack against freedom of expression."
The guy's free to do what he likes with his money, surely? This isn't flak; it's him expressing his opinion and his wish to dissociate himself from specific opinions expressed at and by Media Lens.
What was that about freedom of expression again?
Best,
Daniel
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On 24 Mar 2006, at 11:42, Gabriele Zamparini wrote:
Thanks Daniel.
I CC this reply to ML since you have read my comment on ML message board.
I was not being “silly” at all. In my email I wrote that legally “nulla questio”. So, it’s not a legal problem. But it’s a problem of justice and indeed of freedom of expression.
Of course he is free to express his opinion. But he didn’t express his opinion by withdrawing the financial support by the Tinsley Charitable Trust. Did he?
If a Foundation, a Charitable Trust decides to give financial support to a project, then do you think that because of that, that Trust has the right and power to decide the specific action of that project (Media lens in this specific case)? Can’t you see anything wrong in that? Don’t you think that it would be a blackmail? Can’t you see anything related to freedom of expression?
As I wrote, Tinsley Charitable Trust decided to support Media Lens. Now Mr Tinsley decided to withdraw that support because he disagrees with one (or two) of the ML Alerts. Well, of course he has all the right to disagree. But this is not the point.
Freedom of expression indeed.
Best wishes,
Gabriele
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On 3/24/06 11:56 AM, "Daniel Simpson" wrote:
Thanks Gabriele.
You described his comments as "a vile attack on freedom of expression".
Tinsley says his trust cannot legally make donations to Media Lens and had only done so in the past, by the sounds of it as a one-off. I'm not competent to comment on the legal question and I'm not privy to the ML accounts, but perhaps the Editors can confirm when he last donated to their project and how frequently he has done so.
It would seem, in any case, that there is no clear linkage between his already lapsed financial backing and his request to have his name removed from the site due to his disagreement with specific things Media Lens has done or said.
In theory, I do not think that those who provide financial support to a project should have the power to determine its editorial line. In practice, however, I see no way of preventing someone from exercising their right to withdraw that support at any point.
In summary then, I find it difficult to comprehend how you can cast Tinsley's statements as representing an attack on freedom of expression, whether vile or otherwise. The Media Lens editors remain free to express themselves as they see fit, as do you.
Tinsley, however, seems to be denied this freedom, on one level at least. His opinions are dismissed as flak, which implies an insidious hidden agenda. Why not simply agree to disagree with him?
Best,
Daniel
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On 24 Mar 2006, at 12:06, Gabriele Zamparini wrote:
Dear Daniel,
In his email, Mr. Tinsley writes: “More seriously, I am unable to support your work when you spend your time attacking good guys like John Sloboda of the IBC. I would have thought you would have something better to do.”
In this way, he didn’t simply express his opinion. Since he will withdraw financial support to ML (and, please note, we are talking not of a private individual’s money, but of a Charitable Trust’s money), this act is the very denial of freedom of expression.
Had he written a letter of support for IBC and Sloboda and voice his criticism against ML, I would not have described that as “vile attack on freedom of expression".
But he used his money (actually his Charitable Trust money, quite different indeed!) and his power as a form of intimidation.
Quite a “vile attack on freedom of expression" indeed.
Best,
Gabriele
--
On 24 Mar 2006, at 12:16, Daniel Simpson wrote:
Sorry Gabriele, but I can't agree with these assertions.
Perhaps the ML editors could clarify the situation, but it appears that Tinsley has not been providing financial support for some time, which means that his use of the word support here is ambiguous - could it not mean that he can't endorse Media Lens' actions vis-a-vis John Sloboda and IBC?
You have in any case overlooked what I wrote about the reality of funding for a project. Short of requiring all donors to sign a contract locking them in to lifelong support, what can one do to guarantee that the money flows regardless? Is that a more desirable model to propose than one in which people are free to choose what they support? If so, why?
As for the use of power as a form of intimidation, is this not the basis of the Media Lens strategy?
Best,
Daniel
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