Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11
Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11
by Gabriele Zamparini
As it was easily predictable, Independent’s Middle East correspondent Robert Fisk’s latest column, Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11 , generated a mixture of deafening silences, sarcastic responses and the usual choir of accusations of conspiracy theories.
In Bravo! Mr. Fisk - Robert Fisk and 9/11, praising Robert Fisk's courage, I quoted Gore Vidal, "Apparently, 'conspiracy stuff' is now shorthand for unspeakable truth."
This is what Gore Vidal had to say on those 11 September 2001 events. [Quoted from my documentary XXI CENTURY and book American Voices of Dissent]
by Gabriele Zamparini
As it was easily predictable, Independent’s Middle East correspondent Robert Fisk’s latest column, Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11 , generated a mixture of deafening silences, sarcastic responses and the usual choir of accusations of conspiracy theories.
In Bravo! Mr. Fisk - Robert Fisk and 9/11, praising Robert Fisk's courage, I quoted Gore Vidal, "Apparently, 'conspiracy stuff' is now shorthand for unspeakable truth."
This is what Gore Vidal had to say on those 11 September 2001 events. [Quoted from my documentary XXI CENTURY and book American Voices of Dissent]
GORE VIDAL: The United States is not a normal country. We are under... we are a homeland now, under military surveillance and military control. The president asked the Congress right after 9/11 not to conduct a major investigation as it might deter our search for terrorism wherever it may be in the world. So, Congress obediently rolled over. . . I remember Pearl Harbor. I was a kid then, and within three years of it I enlisted in the Army. That’s what we did in those days. We did not go off to the Texas Air Force and hide. I realize the country has totally changed, that the government is not responsive to the people either in protecting us from something like 9/11, which they should’ve done, could’ve done, did not do. And then when it did happen, to investigate, investigate, investigate. So, I wrote two little books. One called Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, in which I try to go into why Osama bin Laden, if it were he or whoever it was—why it was done. Then I wrote another one, Dreaming War, on why we were not protected at 9/11, which ordinarily would’ve led to the impeachment of the president of the United States, would allow it to happen. They said they had no information. Since then, every day the New York Times prints another mountain of people who said they had warned the government, they had warned the government. President Putin of Russia; he had warned us. President Mubarak of Egypt; he had warned us. Three members of Mossad claimed that they had come to the United States to warn us that some time in September something unpleasant might come out of the sky in our direction. Were we defended? No, we were not defended. Has this ever been investigated? No, it hasn’t. There was some attempt at the mid-term election. There was a pro forma committee in Congress, which has done nothing thus far. What are we? Three years later. This is shameful. The media, which is controlled by the great conglomerates which control the political system, has done an atrocious job of reporting. Though sometimes good stories get in. I’ve worn my eyes out studying the Wall Street Journal, which, despite its dreadful editorial policies, is a pretty good newspaper of record, which the New York Times is not. If you read the Wall Street Journal very carefully, you can pretty much figure out what happened that day. At the time of the first hijacking, according to FAA [Federal Aviation Administration] law, it is mandatory, within four minutes of hijacking, [that] fighter planes from the nearest airbase military base go up to scramble; that means go up and force the plane down, find out who they are, find out what’s happening. For one hour and fifty minutes, I think it was, no fighter plane went up. During that hour and twenty minutes, we lost the two towers and one side of the Pentagon. Why didn’t they go up? No description from the government, no excuse. A lot of mumbling stories, which were then retracted, and new stories replaced them. That, to me, was the end of the republic. We no longer had a Congress, which would ask questions, which it was in place to do, of the Executive. We have a commander-in-chief who likes strutting around in military uniform, which no previous commander-in-chief ever did, as they’re supposed to be civilians keeping charge of the military. This thing is surrealistic now, and it is getting nastier and nastier. This government is culpable, if nothing less, of negligence. Why were we not protected, with all the airbases [and] fighter planes up and down the eastern seaboard? Not one of them went aloft while the hijackings took place. Finally, two from Otis Field in Massachusetts arrived at the Twin Towers. I think at the time the second one was hit. If anybody had been thinking, they would’ve gone on to Washington to try and prevent the attack on the Pentagon. They went back to Otis, back to Massachusetts. So, I ask these questions, which Congress should ask, does not ask; which the press should ask. But it’s too frightened. Also, in perpetual war for perpetual peace; that’s another question that goes unanswered. The head of the Pakistan Secret Service was in Washington a week or so before 9/11. While he was there, and it was just a ceremonial visit with the head of the CIA, they work together. And he sent back word to Islamabad for one of his henchmen to wire $100,000 to Mohammed Atta in the United States, which was duly done. The FBI—I think it was the Wall Street Journal, that’s where I got this story from—only said American Secret Services found out about this. They complained to the Pakistani government. What is the head of your Secret Service in Washington telling to send $100,000 to a guy that we now know was the lead hijacker just a week before 9/11? Times of India published the whole story. The Wall Street Journal did a pretty good version for them. Now, shouldn’t that be examined? Wouldn’t Congress be interested in what this guy in Washington, meeting with all of our top secret people, says? “Okay, send him $100,000”? Not one more word. Not one more word. Now, in a country with any curiosity, in a public that was informed of anything, there would be a great deal of outcry. I couldn’t imagine this happening in England. There’d be questions in Parliament. Papers would be full of it until it was solved. This couldn’t happen in Italy, which dearly loves a conspiracy, or Germany. In the United States everybody listens to 19th-century FOX TV News, in which a bunch of loons just scream and scream and scream. And with each scream they tell another lie. How are we ever going to have an informed citizenry? Which means, then, how can we have an informed election?No, I don't have conspiracy theories to offer or to defend but even I question the 'truth' about 9/11
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there is no 9/11 coverup. 4 arabs flew planes into U.S. landmarks. nothing can be found that proves this wrong. alot can be found that proves this right
As Steven Dutch said, in his excellent piece, Nutty 9-11 Physics, "How else can you call bullsh*t what it is without being pejorative?"
It is in that spirit that I say Gabriele Zamparini is full of steaming hot piles. He has managed, in back to back posts, to regurgitate repeatedly asked and answered questions via passive aggressive rhetoric.
His sophistry screams, "please ignore my fancy, new tin-foil-hat while I sing the swan song of a loon!"
Contrary to Tony Benn's endorsement, you are most definitely not "Just what we need". Quite the opposite in fact.
Your blatant brand of bullsh*t is as insidious as it is counterproductive.
"No, I don't have conspiracy theories to offer or to defend but even I question the 'truth' about 9/11"
Really? You question the "truth"?
Well, here Mr. Limbo-Curious, please wrap your mind around this trove of answers to your "questions" (as if you really want credible answers, you, like all "truthers", clearly want anything but):
With regard to Gore Vidal...HUH? Gore Vidal? What scientific expertise does he bring to your "sincere inquiry"?
If I want sociopolitical commentary and entertainment I'll turn to Vidal. If I want legitimate answers to genuine questions about nine-eleven I'll turn to the agencies, organizations, and experts which responded to the attacks on September 11, 2001 and which investigated and researched the events post-nine-eleven.
Here is a long but only partial list.
Of course, you would probably believe they are all shills and co-conspirators. Or have otherwise been rendered little more than "useful-idiots".
I hope more folks on the Left take you and your kind to task. It's high time you and your ilk are called out for the bullshitting, con artists you really are.
Nine-eleven-fantasy (WeAreNotChange.com) is a metastasized cancer.
911cultwatch.org.uk tells it like it is in no uncertain terms: "They act like a cult, and an aggressive one."
Welcome to the cult Mr. Zamparini (hint: this is not something you should be proud of).
oilmonkey, you would have been a great commissar in Stalin's Russia
one needs to pray people like you never get power for they would be much worse than bush
when you're not too busy insulting and with ad hominem, senseless attacks why don't you try understand what you read?
a good article on dissidentvoice.org
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/08/the-puzzling-suspension-of-incredulity-to-the-official-9-11-theory/
oilmonkey likes dissent but not dissent on what he believes... it's the dear old illness of the left in great britain especially... gore vidal's observations are indeed very pertinent... Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed has studied 9/11 very carefully and he got good praises from gore vidal, john pilger, howard zinn and many others......... but dissent isn't welcome on the left that's become just the shadow of itself
great blog
hey oilmonkey you call zamparini, fisk, gore vidal all conspiracy nuts........who's the nut?????????
"praising Robert Fisk's courage" for questioning the 'truth' about 9/11.
Gabriele, Fisk should not be praised, he did a poor job "talking about scientific issues" concerning 9/11. He asks, "how come the steel beams of the twin towers – whose melting point is supposed to be about 1,480C – would snap through at the same time?"
Fisk should have done some research, the answers to the scientific issues can be found in "NIST's Investigation of the Sept. 11 World Trade Center Disaster - Frequently Asked Questions":
"In no instance did NIST report that steel in the WTC towers melted due to the fires. The melting point of steel is about 1,500 degrees Celsius (2,800 degrees Fahrenheit). Normal building fires and hydrocarbon (e.g., jet fuel) fires generate temperatures up to about 1,100 degrees Celsius (2,000 degrees Fahrenheit). NIST reported maximum upper layer air temperatures of about 1,000 degrees Celsius (1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) in the WTC towers (for example, see NCSTAR 1, Figure 6-36).
However, when bare steel reaches temperatures of 1,000 degrees Celsius, it softens and its strength reduces to roughly 10 percent of its room temperature value. Steel that is unprotected (e.g., if the fireproofing is dislodged) can reach the air temperature within the time period that the fires burned within the towers. Thus, yielding and buckling of the steel members (floor trusses, beams, and both core and exterior columns) with missing fireproofing were expected under the fire intensity and duration determined by NIST for the WTC towers. "
"NIST conducted an extremely thorough three-year investigation into what caused the WTC towers to collapse, as explained in NIST’s dedicated Web site, http://wtc.nist.gov. This included consideration of a number of hypotheses for the collapses of the towers.
Some 200 technical experts—including about 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia—reviewed tens of thousands of documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse.
Based on this comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower."
"The collapse of the WTC towers was not caused either by a conventional building fire or even solely by the concurrent multi-floor fires that day. Instead, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large, jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires weakened the now susceptible structural steel. No building in the United States has ever been subjected to the massive structural damage and concurrent multi-floor fires that the towers experienced on Sept. 11, 2001."
"NIST’s findings also do not support the “controlled demolition” theory since there is conclusive evidence that:
* the collapse was initiated in the impact and fire floors of the WTC towers and nowhere else, and;
* the time it took for the collapse to initiate (56 minutes for WTC 2 and 102 minutes for WTC 1) was dictated by (1) the extent of damage caused by the aircraft impact, and (2) the time it took for the fires to reach critical locations and weaken the structure to the point that the towers could not resist the tremendous energy released by the downward movement of the massive top section of the building at and above the fire and impact floors.
Video evidence also showed unambiguously that the collapse progressed from the top to the bottom, and there was no evidence (collected by NIST, or by the New York Police Department, the Port Authority Police Department or the Fire Department of New York) of any blast or explosions in the region below the impact and fire floors as the top building sections (including and above the 98th floor in WTC 1 and the 82nd floor in WTC 2) began their downward movement upon collapse initiation.
In summary, NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to Sept. 11, 2001. NIST also did not find any evidence that missiles were fired at or hit the towers. Instead, photographs and videos from several angles clearly show that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and that the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward until the dust clouds obscured the view."
NIST is still working on the WTC 7 report (the draft report is due by the end of 2007) but it was very publicly known at the time that it was going to collapse so I don't see what the mystery is.
The WTC 7 building was so badly damaged (from debris hitting it from WTC 1 and from the fires) that people knew it was going to collapse, it was even reported on that day with the media expecting the collapse because firemen told them it was going to collapse! Please see WTC 7 was severely damaged on the south side of the building and was on fire for about 7 hours
Please see the links in the video description for this video: "CHOMSKY: 9/11 Truth Movement Pushes Non-Scientific Evidence"
The "9/11 Truth Movement" has undermined efforts to deal with what motivated the 9/11 hijackers. The "9/11 Truth Movement" has helped those who play the game of denying what motivated the 9/11 terrorists. Gabriele, the "9/11 Truth Movement" has hurt my efforts to bring an end to the unjust policies which are the motivation for the attacks, please issue a retraction and post an article which exposes the fraud of the "9/11 Truth Movement." Please post this info prominently so the "truthers" can start using their energy towards stopping things like Israel's crimes instead of dealing in fantasy. I find the "controlled demolition" and "inside job" theory irritating since I see people wasting time on this nonsense and ignoring the brutal realities of the motives for the 9/11 attacks like U.S. support for Israel. If you can, please contact Fisk and send him this info.
Thanks Tom,
I have NEVER offered or defended conspiracy theories.
In my piece above, I wrote at the end:
"No, I don't have conspiracy theories to offer or to defend but even I question the 'truth' about 9/11"
I hope it's still permitted having some skepticism and ask questions.
Best wishes,
Gabriele
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