UPDATED - ANTIWAR.COM CHANGED ITS PAGE "Casualties in Iraq - The Human Cost of Occupation" Dear friends,
please find below a few replies to
my latest ALERT RE: Antiwar.comBest wishes,
Gabriele Zamparini
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Re: Iraqi Excess Deaths Since 2003 Invasion.
Having come across the correspondence between yourselves and Mr Zamparini, I am disturbed that Iraq Body Count is the benchmark for Iraq excess deaths on your excellent website. The Lancet Report, now over a year old, by two world renowned epidemiologists, estimated up to one milliuon excess deaths, as you will be aware. These are violent deaths, However, additionally, as Dr Gideon Polya points out, quoting UNICEF for the child mortality data:
'The post-invasion NON-VIOLENT DEATHS total 0.7 million (as estimated from UN Population Division data) to 0.8 million (as estimated from UNICEF under-5 infant mortality data as per "Layperson's Guide to Counting Iraq Deaths":
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/5872/26/). The TOTAL post-invasion excess deaths amount to 1.5 million to 2.0 million (see "Iraq: Genocide by all Definition. Bush's Iraq war. 2 million excess deaths":
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/17066/42/).'
Non-violent deaths of course, includes the water borne diseases, resultant from the deliberate destruction of Iraq's water supply in 1991 and which since its further decimation in 2003, the world's greatest army is unable - or unwilling - to repair. Lack of medication and medical equipment is another huge problem, with just $135 per head, per annum, allocated by the occupiers, in Iraq for medical treatment (US nearly $7,000, but in life, as in death, Iraqis, the people of 'the cradle of civilisation', have become non-people, at the hands of the most youthful country on earth.)
It has to be said that the seventy to eighty thousand deaths figure, would be only several months trawling round a few morgues, if one looks at their figures from their forensic experts and the data they produce, with photographs of the unidentified dead, should relatives turn up at a later date. Of course also, there is the unquantifiable - attacks like Falluja, Tel Afar, Ramadi, Najav and many, many more, where the bombardement was such that people were burying their dead in their gardens, yards and even a hotel car park reported in Najav, taking over one hundred dead and becoming a buriel ground.
Your exclusive use of the IBC figures allows politicians to escape accusations of what can only be described as a holocaust. Up to two million deaths in four and a half years in the name of 'we the people', deaths of those who have neither threatened nor harmed us, the majority of whom, as with the embargo years, were too young to even know they were Iraqis and that was why they were and are, dying and being killed.
Might I add, on a different note, that your extraodinarily abusive emails to Mr Zamparini, hardly underscored your website title, 'Antiwar.com'. They gave more the impression of 'Worldwar3.com'. Way to go folks. We may not always agree in the anti war movement, but we usually manage to pull in the same direction, without rabid mouth foaming.
I cannot remember who it was who wrote: ' To the living, we owe courtesy, to the dead, we owe only the truth'. Indeed.
In peace,
Yours faithfully,
Felicity Arbuthnot
************************************************************************************dear anti war movement. Hope you are able to update your page to show the right number of the human cost in iraq.
i am an iraqi women i am so surprise how you forget to update your information about the iraqi human cost which as you know its over a million lost their life till now!!!!
thanks and many regards
mimi
****************************************** ******************************************[An email exchange between Antiwar.com and Caryll Faraldi, one of my readers]
For your info: antiwar and IBC copy of e-mail correspondence. I initially e-mailed antiwar because of your relevant postings on
Uruknet:
Re Iraqi civilians body count:
Why are you giving figures for these deaths that have reliably and objectively been estimated to represent some 5% to 10% of the true figure? You know - or should know - that data from the Iraqi Body Count is used by warmongers and apologists. How can you be taken seriously as an anti-war website when you minimalize the bloody civilian carnage of Iraq since the illegal invasion? I refer you to Information Clearing House, Uruknet and Stop the War\'s websites along many others.
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Eric Garris wrote:
We have reported on the surveys that were done, and have links to them on our site. We report IBC as well as the alternatives, we don\'t believe in restricting the information.
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Caryll Faraldi wrote:
http://antiwar.com/casualties/index.php#count Thank you for your reply. Since I wrote to you I have been reading revealing e-mail between Gabriele Zamparini and others and you and others from antiwar.com.
The point seems to be that while you might report on the reputable surveys that are done and have links to them on your website, the informed know about them and the unreliability of the methodology of the Iraqi Body Count.
Today I simply did a straightforward search for your website plus Iraqi civilian casualties. I was directed to the website given above which, as you well know, prominently gives the figures from the Iraqi Body Count for 'reported civilian deaths' and cites its website only. I did not follow through all the sources and links, but those that I checked were more concerned with occupying forces' casualities.
The question is: why do you 'report' on the The Lancet etc. surveys but do not give them in the 'relevant sources and links' and direct only to the IBC website?
With all respect, you are restricting information.
Caryll Faraldi.
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Eric Garris wrote:
We are doing a redesign and a change in presentation for the casualty pages. I hope we will have them done in a week or so. Please check back with me.
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Thank you for your last e-mail.
I will check your relevant pages from time to time this month and come back to you when they have been redesigned and comment accordingly.
Caryll Faraldi.
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Mainstream anti-Semitic Iraqi Holocaust Denial
I greatly appreciate the humanitarian persistence of UK journalist Gabriele Zamparini (e.g. see “The Cat’s Blog:
http://www.thecatsdream.com/blog/2007/10/action-alert-why-is-antiwarcom-hiding.htm) in exposing the refusal of the Iraqi Holocaust-ignoring and now Iraqi Holocaust-denying Anti-war.com and Iraq Body Count to publish the authoritative estimates of about 1 million post-invasion excess deaths in Occupied Iraq, these persons relying instead on notoriously under-estimating “news report tallies” indicating (currently) 75,000-81,000 violent Iraqi deaths (see Iraq Body Count:
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and Anti-war.com:
http://antiwar.com/casualties/) .
This is what top US epidemiologists, Professor Gilbert Burnham MD (Professor of International Health at the World’s top Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health) and .Professor Les Roberts (Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health) have to say about this (see:
http://www.countercurrents.org/burnham230907.htm), QUOTE:
“News report tallies [i.e. Iraq Body Count and thence Antiwar.com] suggest some 75,000 Iraqis have died since the US-led invasion. A study of 13 war affected countries presented at a recent Harvard conference found over 80% of violent deaths in conflicts go unreported by the press and governments... There are now two polls and three scientific surveys all suggesting the official figures and media-based estimates in Iraq have missed 70-95% of all deaths. The evidence suggests that the extent of under-reporting by the media is only increasing with time. Being forthright about the human cost of the war, perhaps over a million deaths to date, is in our long-term interests.”
As compared to the roughly 80,000 violent deaths asserted by Anti-war.com and Iraq Body Count, below are 7 authoritative estimates from 6 authoritative, independent data sets indicating about 1.5-2.0 million post-invasion Occupied Iraq excess deaths (avoidable deaths, deaths that should not have happened) including 0.7-0.8 million non-violent deaths due to deprivation (despite horrendous endless war conditions and over 4 million Iraqi refugees, and in gross violation of the Geneva Convention, the war criminal US Coalition only permits a total annual per capita Occupied Iraq medical expenditure of $135 as compared to $2,560 (UK), $3,123 (Australia) and $6,096 (the US); WHO data:
http://www.who.int/countries/irq/en/ ) (see: “Iraq: Genocide by all Definition. Bush’s Iraq War. 2 million Iraqi excess deaths”:
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/17066/42/).
As of September 2007, excess deaths (avoidable deaths, deaths that should not have happened) in post-invasion Iraq total:
(1) 0.7 million non-violent excess deaths (from conservatively UNDER-estimated UN Population Division data:
http://esa.un.org/unpp/);
(2) 0.8 million non-violent excess deaths (from estimating post-invasion under-5 infant deaths from UNICEF (
http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/iraq.html) and dividing by 0.7) (see “Layperson’s Guide to Counting Iraq Deaths”:
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/5872/26/);
(3) 1.0 million excess deaths (using data from The Lancet published in 2004; see:
http://www.jhsph.edu/refugee/research/iraq/sdarticle.pdf);
(4) 1.0 million excess deaths (including 0.8 million violent deaths; using data from The Lancet, published in 2006; for references see:
http://www.thelancet.com/webfiles/images/journals/lancet/s0140673606694919.pdf );
(5) 1.1 million excess deaths (including 0.8 million violent deaths; from using data published in The Lancet in 2006 and using Iraq’s impoverished but peaceful neighbors Syria and Jordan for a comparative mortality baseline);
(6) 1.2 million violent excess deaths (from the UK ORB survey:
http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=78); and
(7) this totaling 1.5 million – 2.0 million violent plus non-violent post-invasion excess deaths in Occupied Iraq (see:
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/17066/42/ ) .
Laypersons and scientists alike will have to decide who to believe, 1.5 million -2.0 million million post-invasion violent and non-violent excess deaths (according to the data from world’s top medical epidemiologists, the UN Population Division, the United nations Children’s Fund, the World Health Organization and the top UK polling and market analysis company ORB) VERSUS 75,000-81,000 violent deaths (as reported Iraq Body Count, Anti-war.com and lying, racist, war-mongering, holocaust-ignoring and holocaust-denying extreme right-wing, Bush-ite mainstream media and politicians).
Of course the carnage is even worse than this. It is estimated that the total excess deaths in the Bush I and Bush II Asian Wars (in Occupied Iraq and Occupied Afghanistan and including the US-backed Israeli wars and occupations in Lebanon, Syria and Palestine in the last several decades) amount to 8 million (see: “United State Terrorism. 8 million Deaths & media Holocaust Denial”:
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/17139/42/ ).
The US Alliance Occupier countries are STILL involved in both active genocide and passive genocide in the Occupied Palestinian, Iraqi and Afghan Territories - see the recently published “Lies, Deep Fries & Statistics” (editor. Robyn Williams, ABC Books, Sydney 2007:
http://shop.abc.net.au/browse/product.asp?productid=164365 ; and especially “Australian Complicity in Iraq Mass Mortality” by Dr Gideon Polya, also found at:
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ockham/stories/s1445960.htm ) and “Body Count. Global avoidable mortality since 1950” (G.M. Polya, Melbourne, 2007):
http://globalbodycount.blogspot.com/ and
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/1375/247/ ).
The Bush Asian Holocaust death toll of 8 million exceeds that of the Jewish Holocaust, the WW2 Nazi German-inflicted Jewish Genocide (6 million deaths, 5 million murdered and 1 million dying from deprivation) and that of the largely un-reported, “forgotten”, man-made, British-inflicted Bengali Holocaust (Bengal Famine, Bengali Genocide) of World War 2 British India (4 million excess deaths) (see: (see “Global avoidable mortality”:
http://globalavoidablemortality.blogspot.com/ ; “Jane Austen and the Black Hole of British History” (G.M. Polya, Melbourne, 1998):
http://janeaustenand.blogspot.com/ and “Body Count”:
http://globalbodycount.blogspot.com/ ; Mason, C. (2000), A Short History of Asia. Stone Age to 2000AD (Macmillan, London); Gilbert, M. (1969), Jewish History Atlas (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, London); Gilbert, M. (1982), Atlas of the Holocaust (Michael Joseph, London).
There are 300 million Arab Semites in the World and a total of 1.5 billion Muslims whose core culture is Semitic-origin Islam. The Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians , Iraqis and Afghans subject to war and occupation by US state terrorism (USST), US-Israeli state terrorism (USIST) and Israeli State Terrorism (IST) in the Bush Wars are ethnically and /or culturally SEMITIC.
Denial of the World War 2 Jewish Holocaust (6 million victims, including 1 million deaths from deprivation) are reasonably accused of anti-Jewish anti-Semitic Holocaust that is punished by 10 years in prison in Austria and lengthy custodial sentences in some other European countries. Steadfast Mainstream media and politician IGNORING of authoritative estimates of horrendous excess deaths in the Iraqi Holocaust (3.9 million excess deaths since 1990, 2 million excess deaths since 2003) can be reasonably described as anti-Arab anti-Semitic Holocaust Denial.
We are obliged to inform everyone we can of these horrendous abuses of Humanity.
Dr Gideon Polya, Melbourne, Australia
Dr Gideon Polya published some 130 works in a 4 decade scientific career, most recently a huge pharmacological reference text "Biochemical Targets of Plant Bioactive Compounds" (CRC Press/Taylor & Francis, New York & London, 2003). He has just published “Body Count. Global avoidable mortality since 1950” (G.M. Polya, Melbourne, 2007:
http://mwcnews.net/content/view/1375/247/ ).
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[Finally the surprise]
ERIC GARRIS, Webmaster/Managing Editor Antiwar.com, replies to my latest alert
He starts with some "creative writing" when he writes, "I told you we were working on revising it!". He never told me that, on the contrary... Well, for those interested,
my exchange with Antiwar.com is hereNevertheless, the promise that they are (now) "working on revising it" is good news to be welcomed.
Looking forward to see the changes...
Best wishes,
Gabriele Zamparini
From: Eric Garris
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:30:22 -0700
To: info@thecatsdream.com
Subject: Re: ACTION ALERT: Why is Antiwar.com hiding the Iraq Genocide?
I told you we were working on revising it! Sorry we don't do exactly what you say as quickly as you want it.
UPDATED A NEW E-MAIL FROM ERIC GARRIS, Webmaster/Managing Editor Antiwar.comOn 10/8/07 6:09 PM, "Eric Garris" wrote:
In spite of your inability to communicate in a productive and
respectful manner, we have made some initial changes and are planning
to further address your "suggestions."
If you have any other polite suggestions, I would be happy to address
them if provided in a constructive and respectful manner.
Here are the current pages as revised.
http://antiwar.com/updates/
http://antiwar.com/casualties/
MY REPLY TO ERIC GARRIS, Webmaster/Managing Editor Antiwar.comThanks Eric,
I will take a look and I will come back to you.
But since you wrote, please allow me to ask you why you stated to one of your correspondents, David Wearing, the following:
"As I explained numerous times to Gabriele, we are working on a revamping of the casualty pages, probably done in the next week or two. That was not sufficient for him, and he chose to attack us in a public press release."
You know perfectly well that you have never told me anything like that in our correspondence. The first time you wrote me about the changes was when you replied to my latest Action Alert.
From: Eric Garris
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:30:22 -0700
To: info@thecatsdream.com
Subject: Re: ACTION ALERT: Why is Antiwar.com hiding the Iraq Genocide?
I told you we were working on revising it! Sorry we don't do exactly what you say as quickly as you want it.
Even then you stated, “I told you we were working...”. But actually you did not!
Now, your correspondent accused me publicly to lie. You know that I have published all our correspondence on my blog. And when you sent me your email after my latest ACTION ALERT, I have published it again on my blog too.
I would appreciate you could make clear all this with your correspondent, since lying is NOT among my many faults.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Gabriele Zamparini
London
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***********************************Well done! I welcome the changes and congratulate with Antiwar.com