A call for a media investigation over the issue of Iraq mortality estimates
Following my e-mail exchange with the Independent on the so-called “human cost” of the Iraq war, a very curious website, Mediahell.org, [Please, see CORRECTION below] launched yet another hysterical crusade against concerned citizens who dared to reclaim the sacrosanct right to be honestly informed by the mainstream media and to speak out whenever this doesn’t happen.
I won’t comment on Mediahell.org peculiar “activism”. It’s always productive to listen to different points of view and to honestly try to understand the other’s reasons; it’s good to always challenge our own convictions: it helps us to not sit down but keep pushing on our limits to better know and understand the world around us and ourselves. Unfortunately for me, I have never found Mediahell.org challenging and the only thing I am left with whenever I happen to visit that website is a deep sense of sadness for their constant resort to bad faith, ad hominem attacks, personal slanders and other techniques used with the only purpose to confuse the readers and support indefensible, irrational positions for whatever reasons that may be. One good rebuttal of one of the many, many, many Mediahell.org crusades can be read here
I won’t comment on Mediahell.org hysteria then - life is really too short, besides I don’t believe in Hell – but it could be a good idea to give more resources to support the point I made in my exchange with the Independent:
1) Lancet study authors Les Roberts and Gilbert Burnham have written an informative piece on Iraq mortality studies, available at the website for the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School for Public Health.
2) MIT's John Tirman, who commissioned the second of the two Lancet studies, has answered critics of those studies, including what looks like a media campaign of disinformation
3) Regarding the WHO study estimate of 151,000 deaths, Les Roberts has noted that there is more in common with the Lancet results than first appears, while he also points to a likely under-reporting of violent deaths in the WHO study. [Also here]
4) Spagat's "50-page research paper" is a non-refereed, unpublished document that he uploaded to his own website (!!!) Serious flaws, including deceptive cherry-picking of data, have been identified by statistician Tim Lambert at his Deltoid blog.
For independent, brave, honest journalists who want to seriously report on what’s going on around the issue of Iraq mortality estimates, there is enough material to examine it in more detail, maybe even investigate the attacks that have been made against serious scientific studies in the Lancet.
Don't wait for the next celebration of media failure. As Martin Luther King, Jr said, “The time is always right to do what is right.”
UPDATE - CORRECTION: I agree with the criticism I received by the person who left the anonymous comment here below. I thought that post was from MediaHell's Editors. My mistake and I apologise to the MediaHell's Editors. I also would like to kindly invite MediaHell Editors to join me to call for a media investigation over this issue.
I won’t comment on Mediahell.org peculiar “activism”. It’s always productive to listen to different points of view and to honestly try to understand the other’s reasons; it’s good to always challenge our own convictions: it helps us to not sit down but keep pushing on our limits to better know and understand the world around us and ourselves. Unfortunately for me, I have never found Mediahell.org challenging and the only thing I am left with whenever I happen to visit that website is a deep sense of sadness for their constant resort to bad faith, ad hominem attacks, personal slanders and other techniques used with the only purpose to confuse the readers and support indefensible, irrational positions for whatever reasons that may be. One good rebuttal of one of the many, many, many Mediahell.org crusades can be read here
I won’t comment on Mediahell.org hysteria then - life is really too short, besides I don’t believe in Hell – but it could be a good idea to give more resources to support the point I made in my exchange with the Independent:
1) Lancet study authors Les Roberts and Gilbert Burnham have written an informative piece on Iraq mortality studies, available at the website for the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School for Public Health.
2) MIT's John Tirman, who commissioned the second of the two Lancet studies, has answered critics of those studies, including what looks like a media campaign of disinformation
3) Regarding the WHO study estimate of 151,000 deaths, Les Roberts has noted that there is more in common with the Lancet results than first appears, while he also points to a likely under-reporting of violent deaths in the WHO study. [Also here]
4) Spagat's "50-page research paper" is a non-refereed, unpublished document that he uploaded to his own website (!!!) Serious flaws, including deceptive cherry-picking of data, have been identified by statistician Tim Lambert at his Deltoid blog.
For independent, brave, honest journalists who want to seriously report on what’s going on around the issue of Iraq mortality estimates, there is enough material to examine it in more detail, maybe even investigate the attacks that have been made against serious scientific studies in the Lancet.
Don't wait for the next celebration of media failure. As Martin Luther King, Jr said, “The time is always right to do what is right.”
UPDATE - CORRECTION: I agree with the criticism I received by the person who left the anonymous comment here below. I thought that post was from MediaHell's Editors. My mistake and I apologise to the MediaHell's Editors. I also would like to kindly invite MediaHell Editors to join me to call for a media investigation over this issue.
27 Comments:
It's dishonest of Zamparini to conflate the website which hosts a discussion (Media Hell) with the views of outside individuals who post there.
If he has any integrity, Zamparini will amend his comments to make it clear that he's talking not about "Media Hell", but about guest contributions posted there.
Integrity confirmed.
Not quite. There's more dissembling in Zamparini's piece that he's not corrected. For example, he writes of the "many, many, many Mediahell.org crusades".
Which "Media Hell" crusades were you thinking of, exactly, Gabriele? The other one you refer to was another guest contribution, not written by the Media Hell guys: http://www.mediahell.org/community/08031003.htm
More corrections needed, I think.
This is most peculiar. He says he won't comments and then comments. This has been my comment. Very Best Wishes to all.
Well done Gabrielle! Don't apologise. Media Hell is surely responsible for the slanderous rants published on their site. Keep going
I don't remember Medialens taking responsibility for the comments posted on the ML board which Aaronovitch complained about.
Sorry, but I don't see any "slanderous" rants at Media Hell. The two examples mentioned by Zamparini aren't remotely "slanderous".
Having looked at the Media Hell site, I have to say that Gabriele does it a disservice. The following are representative of the worthwhile material it offers:
Media Hell on media distortion
Media Hell's published letters
Media Hell on terrorism hysteria
Media Hell on BBC's misleading
headlines
Media Hell on media fallacies
Media Hell on fear hype
Keep going Gabriele. Ignore the flak from the bowels of media hell:
Which "Media Hell" crusades were you thinking of, exactly, Gabriele? The other one you refer to was another guest contribution, not written by the Media Hell guys: http://www.mediahell.org/community/08031003.htm
Careful dear reader. That "guest" is one of the "Media Hell guys".
Ken.Farrell@mediasceptic.org is just one of his guises.
Here are a few of his outpourings:
Gabriele Zamparini's destructive hysteria
Medialens's dishonest smear campaign
Latest Medialens lies/distortions
Professor Marc Herold is unimpressed with Medialens
Medialens on the defensive
Marc Herold's latest comment on Medialens
Systemic Medialens BS
Media alert on flat Earth News
Seumas Milne
Medialens responds... and my comments
Just a sample....
Look out too for "Russ Bridger". Is he 'avin a larf?!
Er... none of those posts were from "Ken.Farrell".
Ah. I get it now. You're that Stephen Ampadu guy who is so obsessed with Ken, ALP, etc. And you have a grudge against Media Hell because they caught you posting under multiple identities and impersonating other posters (including Ken Farrell), as documented here,
and here
and here
Nice use of quotation marks!
You are one of the media hell (aka media sceptic) guys - posting under multiple names and author of the above items and more.
As you keep telling everyone at PoV. But you never produce a shred of evidence to support your accusations. Finn McCool called you "despicable and a liar" (PoV, January 8, 2008, 11:28). He also commented on your posts as follows:
"Frankly, the sheer sliminess of trying to silence someone by trying to smear his person with months and months of innuendo (without so much as a hint of evidence or any acknowledgement that evidence is even required) should be so fvcking obvious to any decent, full-grown adult - and it is, to anyone not yet dulled and soul-raped by the atmosphere on these two message boards." (PoV, October 31, 2007, 19:02)
You just have a pathetic grudge against Media Hell because they caught you impersonating others.
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