What the Independent says... and what it omits
Dear Richard Garner,
Education Editor
The Independent
In your latest Independent article you write:
It’s dreadful that after five years the US and UK governments illegally invaded Iraq, committing the supreme international crime for which the major Nazi war criminals were hanged in Nuremberg, the Independent is still hiding the truth to the public. The shame is total considering the title of your article, “Iraq: teachers told to rewrite history” and the title of its second part, “What the MoD's guide says... and what it omits”. Paraphrasing your words, I would say:
“Iraq: journalists told to rewrite history” and “What the Independent says... and what it omits”.
I’m sorry if this e-mail may sound bitter to your eyes, but after five years of lies and omissions coming from mainstream media (including your Independent), your readers are sick and tired of this disinformation and propaganda responsible for huge crimes against humanity.
Education is a serious thing. Please honor the title you have at the Independent and stop rewriting history.
Sincerely,
Gabriele Zamparini
London
1) The sudies conducted by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad and published on the British medical journal The Lancet
2) The studies conducted by British ORB
September 2007 – More than 1,000,000 Iraqis murdered
January 2008 - Update on Iraqi Casualty Data
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REPLY FROM INDEPENDENT'S RICHARD GARNER
Dear Gabriele
Thank you for your abusive email.
Actually, the inset on the second page to which you refer wasn't written by me but by our defence correspondent. The word "conservative" means an underestimate so he was tacitly agreeing with you that the casualties are higher.
also, I do think that if you think the piece written by me was a pro-war rant and not critical of the Ministry of Defence, you need your head examined..
Richard Garner
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MY REPLY TO INDEPENDENT'S RICHARD GARNER
Dear Richard,
Thank you for your reply.
I’m sorry you feel that my email was “abusive”. I don’t agree on this, please could you point out exactly which word/sentence you consider “abusive”?
Thank you for informing me that that part of the article was written by the defence correspondent. The only problem is that the Independent readers (I am one of them) were not told and found only your name on that article.
I know the meaning of “conservative”. I wonder why the Independent decided to use the “conservative” figures coming from the amateurish IBC instead of the conservative figures (but scientific) coming from serious studies published on scientific, peer review journals. Besides, writing 85,000 when the figure could be well over 1.2 million... Well, I leave at you any comment you may have on this but surely the word “conservative” sounds ridiculous in this context.
I didn’t write anything about your piece not being critical of the MoD. My email was a precise, rational, documented criticism about one single point.
Please, feel free to forward my emails to the Independent’s defence correspondent.
Thank you again for your time
Best wishes,
Gabriele Zamparini
***
REPLY FROM INDEPENDENT'S RICHARD GARNER
Dear Gabriele
You did call my integrity into account. I call that abusive.
I do agree weith you, though, that I would have preferred Kim Sengupta's piece to have had his byline on it.
Richard garner
***
MY REPLY TO INDEPENDENT RICHARD GARNER
Thank you Richard.
If I had known that the point in question was not written by you but by Kim Sengupta, I would have written (that very same email) to him. Maybe you should complaint with your Editors.
I wonder what Kim Sengupta has to say (if anything) on the point I make in my original e-mail.
Thank you for your replies. I do appreciate your time.
Best wishes,
Gabriele
***
email to Kim Sengupta, defence and diplomatic correspondent, the Independent
Dear Kim Sengupta,
defence and diplomatic correspondent, the Independent
I hope you’re well.
I had an interesting email exchange with your colleague Richard Garner. You may read all our exchange here
I have also posted it on Medialens message board
I wonder why you keep referring to the amateurish IBC’s figures instead of to the scientific data available:
1) The sudies conducted by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad and published on the British medical journal The Lancet
2) The studies conducted by British ORB
September 2007 – More than 1,000,000 Iraqis murdered
January 2008 - Update on Iraqi Casualty Data
Your piece on the Independent is particularly dreadful, especially considering the title you chose: “What the MoD's guide says... and what it omits”
A more suitable title would be: “What the Independent says... and what it omits”
Thank you for your time
Kind regards,
Gabriele Zamparini
Education Editor
The Independent
In your latest Independent article you write:
“Conservative estimates of the number of Iraqi civilians killed since the beginning of the invasion stand at around 85,000.”This so-called “conservative estimate” (coming from Iraq Body Count, even though you didn’t mention the source) is NOT an estimate but a simple count based mainly on Western media. As Education Editor, you should know there is nothing scientific about Iraq Body Count and, always as Education Editor, you should know there are serious scientific studies on this issue a serious newspaper should refer to if its aim were offering serious information to its readers. (Please, see below for the links to these studies)
It’s dreadful that after five years the US and UK governments illegally invaded Iraq, committing the supreme international crime for which the major Nazi war criminals were hanged in Nuremberg, the Independent is still hiding the truth to the public. The shame is total considering the title of your article, “Iraq: teachers told to rewrite history” and the title of its second part, “What the MoD's guide says... and what it omits”. Paraphrasing your words, I would say:
“Iraq: journalists told to rewrite history” and “What the Independent says... and what it omits”.
I’m sorry if this e-mail may sound bitter to your eyes, but after five years of lies and omissions coming from mainstream media (including your Independent), your readers are sick and tired of this disinformation and propaganda responsible for huge crimes against humanity.
Education is a serious thing. Please honor the title you have at the Independent and stop rewriting history.
Sincerely,
Gabriele Zamparini
London
1) The sudies conducted by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad and published on the British medical journal The Lancet
2) The studies conducted by British ORB
September 2007 – More than 1,000,000 Iraqis murdered
January 2008 - Update on Iraqi Casualty Data
***
REPLY FROM INDEPENDENT'S RICHARD GARNER
Dear Gabriele
Thank you for your abusive email.
Actually, the inset on the second page to which you refer wasn't written by me but by our defence correspondent. The word "conservative" means an underestimate so he was tacitly agreeing with you that the casualties are higher.
also, I do think that if you think the piece written by me was a pro-war rant and not critical of the Ministry of Defence, you need your head examined..
Richard Garner
***
MY REPLY TO INDEPENDENT'S RICHARD GARNER
Dear Richard,
Thank you for your reply.
I’m sorry you feel that my email was “abusive”. I don’t agree on this, please could you point out exactly which word/sentence you consider “abusive”?
Thank you for informing me that that part of the article was written by the defence correspondent. The only problem is that the Independent readers (I am one of them) were not told and found only your name on that article.
I know the meaning of “conservative”. I wonder why the Independent decided to use the “conservative” figures coming from the amateurish IBC instead of the conservative figures (but scientific) coming from serious studies published on scientific, peer review journals. Besides, writing 85,000 when the figure could be well over 1.2 million... Well, I leave at you any comment you may have on this but surely the word “conservative” sounds ridiculous in this context.
I didn’t write anything about your piece not being critical of the MoD. My email was a precise, rational, documented criticism about one single point.
Please, feel free to forward my emails to the Independent’s defence correspondent.
Thank you again for your time
Best wishes,
Gabriele Zamparini
***
REPLY FROM INDEPENDENT'S RICHARD GARNER
Dear Gabriele
You did call my integrity into account. I call that abusive.
I do agree weith you, though, that I would have preferred Kim Sengupta's piece to have had his byline on it.
Richard garner
***
MY REPLY TO INDEPENDENT RICHARD GARNER
Thank you Richard.
If I had known that the point in question was not written by you but by Kim Sengupta, I would have written (that very same email) to him. Maybe you should complaint with your Editors.
I wonder what Kim Sengupta has to say (if anything) on the point I make in my original e-mail.
Thank you for your replies. I do appreciate your time.
Best wishes,
Gabriele
***
email to Kim Sengupta, defence and diplomatic correspondent, the Independent
Dear Kim Sengupta,
defence and diplomatic correspondent, the Independent
I hope you’re well.
I had an interesting email exchange with your colleague Richard Garner. You may read all our exchange here
I have also posted it on Medialens message board
I wonder why you keep referring to the amateurish IBC’s figures instead of to the scientific data available:
1) The sudies conducted by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad and published on the British medical journal The Lancet
2) The studies conducted by British ORB
September 2007 – More than 1,000,000 Iraqis murdered
January 2008 - Update on Iraqi Casualty Data
Your piece on the Independent is particularly dreadful, especially considering the title you chose: “What the MoD's guide says... and what it omits”
A more suitable title would be: “What the Independent says... and what it omits”
Thank you for your time
Kind regards,
Gabriele Zamparini
13 Comments:
Talking of omissions, it's interesting to see Zamparini forget to mention the World Health Organisation study which estimated 151,000 violent deaths: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2008/pr02/en/index.html
This was a much larger (and better quality-controlled) study than the ones Zamparini favours.
Zamparini also resorts to lying, it seems, in his ccampaign to smear IBC (see link below). It's no surprise that Znet's Michael Albert described Zamparini as "contemptible". http://www.mediahell.org/community/07091803.htm
This blog welcomes any comment and criticism, even when it is made by people in bad faith who don't find the courage to sign their misleading, shameful flak.
About Michael Albert, he's one of the many people who should be ashamed to have given so much support to Iraq Body Count. Besides, Znet still has online the IBC's propaganda. To know more, read here
Are you denying the WHO study exists, Gabriele? Or are you just saying we should ignore respected epidemiological studies when they don't serve our political purpose? Wouldn't that make you exactly like the media that you criticise?
Are you just going to put your head in the sand over these criticisms, and repeat your mantra, "flak", "flak", flak" (without even knowing what "flak" means)?
Do you think that all your pals at Medialens who post anonymously lack "courage"?
With your ability to overlook inconvenient facts and your hypocrisy (eg over "omissions, above), you're an embarrassment to the antiwar movement.
Readers should also read: Counting Iraqi Casualties -- and a Media Controversy
This "anonymous" above is desperately trying to defend Iraq Body Count (and its friends). One just wonders if his/her is a pass time or a profession... What is your "gut feeling" telling you?
That's right, Gabriele, everyone's out to get you. It's a big conspiracy - even Michael Albert is in on it. It must be, because the only other alternative explanation is that you are consistently misinformed and that people find you arrogant and obnoxious.
So I ask again, why be a hypocrite and omit the WHO study from your accounts of Iraqi mortality?
LOL - Actually you are the only one here who's talking of conspiracies theories. Relax man or you're going to believe in UFO ;-)
Wht should anyone believe that the WHO is independent of those who took war to Iraq, dropping hundreds of tons of uranium in 1991 and later in 2003? No one is factoring in the deaths from exposure to this stuff, least of all the WHO who are tied to the International Atomic Energy Agency, the nukes, by a 1959 agreement, still in force, to leave the research to the bombmakers.
Chris said:
"Wh[y] should anyone believe that the WHO is independent of those who took war to Iraq"
That's right: suspect that people are guilty until they can prove their innocence. When did the antiwar movement turn into this authoritarian "guilty until proven innocent" monstrosity? Anyone who questions the Lancet-ORB figures is in league with the warmongers, right? See if you can work out the logical consequences of taking that position.
Thanks Mr Anonymous. Click here and you'll have all your answers. Peace!
ROTFL. I'm sure Media Hell will thank you for the publicity - "Not endorsed by Gabriele Zamparini" (although you might want to distinguish between a website and the people who post to its messageboard - assuming you wish to be honest and not misrepresent people.)
As for your "answers", you don't provide any. You just link to other people in the closed, narrow community of obsessive Lancet defenders: the Lancet authors, the person who commissioned the Lancet study, and top fan, Tim Lambert. They all recycle the same spin.
Here's a little challenge for you. Name one epidemiological expert (outside the circle I mentioned above) who takes the ORB study more seriously than the WHO study? Then name one person inside the circle who takes the WHO study more seriously than the ORB study. Do you see how it works yet?
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